Rebloggable requested.
the-mofo asked: I respect you’re opinion. please read my new post. thanks
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Thanks I guess. I read it. Here’s a link for those who are interested.
I’m guessing this is some kind of response to my original reblog, but I can’t really tell because you never mention me specifically and it’s not a reblog of what I wrote. But regardless:
- I don’t think you’re a bad person per se, but you are severely misinformed.
- All of my beliefs were clearly laid out in my original post. I’m hoping you actually read through the links I gave you, but somehow I kind of doubt it.
but I dislike the 93% who had abortion due to social reasons such as inconvenience and unwanting the baby.
You wouldn’t be saying this if you had actually digested what I wrote on this topic and conveniently linked to you. Pregnancy is a life changing thing and no one is required to do it. Abortion is a human right whether you find it personally morally repulsive or not.Not wanting to be pregnant is a good enough reason to terminate a pregnancy. You don’t get to dictate what others do with their own bodies or how they utilize their rights. I don’t need to be experiencing a medical emergency to revoke consent, that’s not how consent works.
Personally, I can’t accept your view that the fetus is not a person.
That’s fine. But it is the default position that’s informed by precedent, bio ethics, science, and the Constitution among other things. You can’t prove personhood with secular reasoning (this isn’t a theocracy after all), and even if personhood was somehow agreed on, people don’t have the right to use other people’s bodies without consent. Full stop.
If you accept the fact that embryo/fetus is human, then killing him/her, is taking away the human right to live which I thought was way more important than bodily integrity.
Everyone, including me, agrees that embryos are alive and human. That is a simple, biological reality. But human rights and personhood are reserved for those who are born. Seriously, read the human rights link I gave you.
”No right to someone else’s body”, “babies are not innocent”… since when did the baby’s (fetus) natural dependence on the mother for survival can be interpreted as a sin? if i use your body do I deserve a death sentence? The right to live is greater than any other rights.
I never said it was a sin. I said your “innocence” rhetoric is misplaced emotional manipulation. You’re either using innocent in a secular sense meaning innocent until proven guilty, which we all are and the embryo isn’t more so making it a moot point, or you’re using it in the sectarian sense of innocent versus evil, which has no place in this conversation. Obviously you’re utilizing the latter form by mentioning sin now. And it still has no place in the conversation. No, you don’t get to use my body without consent, that should be obvious as well. An embryo has no rights and for good reason: it’s very existence conflicts with the rights of the person it’s inside of. If the person doesn’t want it there, there’s no consent. Again, read the “fetus focus fallacy” link I gave you.
okay, so you think I am heartless and uncaring for women, friends, and family. But when it comes to justice… can their personal desires(not medical reasons) overrule life? I would give positive support to my friends and family in raising their babies. I’m sorry I have to value precious lives. Today, we couldn’t have met some of our friends and family if they weren’t allowed to be born.
I never said that you were heartless or uncaring, though your words are beginning to speak for themselves. I address personal desires vs medical reasons above. Personally, I find forced birth repulsive. If they never existed in the first place then they’re not our friends and family.
The main problem is that you don’t believe that fetus is human. but just an organism of another species…? jk. what is your definition? and so therefore his/her right to live isn’t even considered at all. therefore, women are justified to protect their body from this inhuman object.
Again, why can’t you address anything I actually wrote? I would be foolish to claim an embryo is another species. But mere human DNA does not a person make. There is nothing overly special about it. My concern is with the pregnant person, the actual person who undeniably and unquestioningly has rights.
Our ultimate difference is whether we consider embryos/fetuses are humans, homo sapiens. However if it’s not, what were babies weeks before they are born?
WTF?
I believe that perhaps we are both goodhearted people protecting what seems right to ourselves. my opinion: the lives of humans. you: the rights of women.
This is such a simplistic notion it’s not even funny. You are fighting for a basic human right to be taken away from all people capable of being pregnant which will undoubtedly lead to thousands of people dying, and I’m fighting for my life and the lives of those I love to have choices. You’re movement kills people and honestly there’s nothing goodhearted about it. [note for that link: that’s an old post and I haven’t updated it’s cis-centric language yet but I will when I have time.]
Just wondering, if you actually believe that fetus have the right to live, would you still think that bodily integrity is more important? Similarly, would you let parents who are troubled financially or emotionally to kill their teenagers, children, toddlers, babies, or fetus?
Again, bodily integrity doesn’t dissipate with pregnancy, I will always care more about pregnant people. The second sentence is outright ridiculous. It’s a straw man and you need to learn the difference between biological and social dependency.
and why bring trans ppl into this? homosexuals can do whatever they want as long as they don’t kill other people, especially babies.
Why? Because newsflash I am trans*. And trans* people can get pregnant. And because you’ve been misgendering me for two whole posts now with all your cissexist rhetoric.
Trans* people and gay/bi/lesbian/pan/etc people are not mutually exclusive, but they are not the same thing; so I have zero clues as to why you’re conflating them. None of us are advocating for killing people, including babies. But embryos do not have personhood.
- Tagged
- rebloggable
[TW: rape, rape apologism, forced birth]
Anon asked: Just because a fetus is the product of rape doesn’t mean that it’s its fault. You shouldn’t be making two wrongs
My answer:
Oh, Anon. Do tell me where on my blog I’ve ever blamed a non-autonomous, non-sentient embryo for it’s existence? That would be ridiculous. I blame rapists and rape apologists, like yourself, for trying to create laws which further violate a rape survivor’s bodily integrity. Sorry, over here in the land of logic I just can’t bring myself to advocate for rapists being able to reduce their victims to incubators for nine months AFTER they’ve been brutalized physically, mentally, and emotionally. Nor can I bring myself to legislate torturing pregnant people because other people have twisted sadistic fantasies about forced birth.
Rape survivors can make their own decisions. And many certainly do choose to carry to term, whether to parent or choose adoption. The operative word, though, being choose. I’ve heard from more than one survivor that they chose to keep children that were products of rape, but that it was incredibly difficult and they’d never dream of mandating other pregnant people be forced by misogynists to do the same.
Oh, and the only time pregnancy and abortion is ever wrong is when it’s forced and coerced. The fact that you equate reproductive rights with the violent and horrifying act of rape says it all really.
Why don’t you come off anon, so everyone capable of being pregnant knows who they should be avoiding like the plague.
[made rebloggable upon request]
I’m sorry it came off that way. This was brought up in the notes as well, so I’ll address that concern here.
I think it should be obvious (but I guess maybe not) that the intent of the post wasn’t to vilify pregnancy but rather vilify the antichoice rhetoric, misogyny, and male privilege that was dripping off the original tweet as a basis for claiming that pregnancy is just “inconvenient”. This argument is being used in the context of taking away my constitutional right to an abortion due to the poster’s assumption that 9 months of pregnancy is no big deal and that I have no basis for my concerns. Therefore, I didn’t feel the need to end with a footnote that “yay, pregnancy is actually awesome” because my prochoice stance should make it clear that pregnancy is always an option for those willing to do it. I even said in a follow up post that I fully support pregnancy as a reproductive choice.
The point of the post is to cut through the bullshit of the antichoice rhetoric that cis men like to spew. The fact of the matter is that every pregnancy is potentially life-threatening (a point I will never cede) and that alone elevates the state of pregnancy above a “mere inconvenience.” I don’t really think it’s relevant that *some* of the complications are rare (at least in developing countries) because every pregnancy has the potential to take a turn for the worst, and almost half of all pregnancies experience complications. While they might be temporary, manageable, or even wildly uncommon I fail to see why they should be reduced to mere “inconveniences” especially since the pregnant person is the only one capable of deciding if those are risks they are willing to take. As a trans* person who never wants to be pregnant, pregnancy let alone even mild side effects or complications would make me suicidal. So you can see how that would be offensive to be dismissed as “alarmist” or an “inconvenience.”
With 358,000 pregnant people DYING yearly due to pregnancy or complications I think it’s highly suspect when people, especially cis men, take the view that pregnancy is no big deal, and that the unwilling incubator should just deal with it as such rather than make the right decision for themselves and their bodies. Pregnancy isn’t the problem here, nor are the people who choose it. It’s the people who feel compelled to be glib about the inherent dangers of pregnancy, and the dangers people subject themselves to in order to bring children into the world. Because of that, I feel the need to call out bullshit like this tweet because some of us would rather get hit by a bus than deal with the easiest, most uncomplicated, risk-free pregnancy let alone die from one.
Hope that clears that up.
